> > There are some in Lyneya's article. > > Is that our only basis? We've always treated Lyneya's data as if > was rather suspect. In soem respects, it is; but I trust her transcription of names. So if she has a particular name, I'm confident it existed. What I'm not sure about is her interpretation of the entries in her source, and thus her conclusions of name construction, among other things. -- -- The following names come from Codice Diplomatico Barese, continuazione del Codice Diplomatico Barese, Vol. XXVIII, Le Pergamene del Duomo di Bari, (1343 - 1381), Maria Cannataro Cordasco, Società Di Storia Patria Per La Puglia, Bari, 1985. I have listed the complete name and the date of the legal document. I have put examples of preposition + placename in <>. Giovanella de Corticiis , defunta ; 1348 settembre 30 Giovanni figlio suo e del defunto Nicola ; 1352 ottobre 3 Margherita figlia del fu Giovanni ; 1343 novembre 27 Pietro ; 1343 novembre 27 Pietro di Ruggero di Simone ; 1367 dicembre 30 -- -- Here are examples from my "Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473-1484" article that don't seem to follow the " for locatives, for patronymics" norm: Name Form: Date: Page: Giovanni da Chapranicha 10 Jul (22 Dec) 1483 97 Giovanni di Chrapanicha 18 Mar (23 Dec) 1484 100 Giovanni Antonio di Parma 30 May (31 Mar) 1482 90 Giovanni Antonio 20 Jun (22 Dec) 1483 96 Giovanni Antonio da Parma ?30 Jun (22 Dec) 1483 97 Giovanni Antonio 25 Aug (02 Oct 1482) 1483 99 Antonio Ambrosii 04 Jun (14 May) 1482 90 Antonio Sancto Ambruose 15 Mar (20 Jul) 1483 95 Marcho Antonio di Santo Ambrogio 20 Jun (22 Dec) 1483 96 These examples can be found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/Studium/BynAlphaExamples.html Each group above represents a single person, not several different people. I have no idea what (if anything) this data signifies. It could simply be issues with reading the original documents, or it may show a trend. I have no idea at this point. --