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Ordinary language is all right.

One could divide humanity into two classes:
those who master a metaphor, and those who hold by a formula.
Those with a bent for both are too few, they do not comprise a class.

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7 Jan '02 08:57:20 PM

And at the end when the other parts stop and the phone conversation comes in, the drones lose direction - they're louder, not telling us where the song's going, because it's not now.

7 Jan '02 08:51:20 PM

Hearing "Tracy" today I took notice of how important the shimmering drone that runs behind most of the song is. It changes, it's on different notes. That contributes to the dynamics of the song just as significantly as the more prominent guitar parts in the foreground. The drone acts like a cue: "the song goes like this". Or maybe a distillation.

7 Jan '02 05:21:35 AM

B-b-but "Laser Beam" is my favorite song on there! It's perfect! Oh well.

6 Jan '02 10:47:51 AM

My CDs are even harder to get to now than they were in my last apartment. I think this has had an effect on the diversity of what I listen to.

That doesn't explain everything, though. I also just haven't felt as inclined to hear a diverse range of things. For months.

6 Jan '02 09:30:32 AM

I listened to Things We Lost in the Fire for the first time in months. It still comes off about the same to me. It feels like the work of a completely different band, most of the time, which means, a band different from the one I love - not, a fascinating new side of a Low that I loved which I now love in a new and richer way.

If I wanted to put it succinctly (sacrificing accuracy) I might say that they sound like more or less the same band, only with the drone taken out.

Sacrificing a lot of accuracy.

I feel like I can already tell intuitively, but it would be nice to have a more careful comparison between this record and Secret Name so that I see exactly how I can like that record and not this one, despite how similar they seem relative to Low's previous records. (Secret Name is a lot more "songy" too, with Albini production.)

6 Jan '02 08:55:14 AM

"Have social conditions made punk obsolete?"

It seems to me that there are a few popular ways of thinking about this. I'm not sure if they are the only ways, but they seem good enough to start with.

At the very least maybe we can agree that punk was ("is" too but I'm going to talk in the past tense for some reason) against something. Lots of people seem to think so, anyway. I get the impression that some people will even try to defuse talk about punk's mattering at this point, by saying that if punk was "against" anything, it was only against it in some shallow way, say stylistically, like as a fashion statement. Oh well. Maybe. Let's just ignore that for now.

So, punk was against something. Just that by itself presents possibilities for our question, for saying whether social conditions made punk obsolete. Think of it like two people. One is "against" the other. So one can disagree with the other. One can just plain dislike the other. One can carry on in a way that's contrary to the other, even inimical. These things could be done implicitly or explicitly. They could be done (forgive the unnatural division) on a purely musical level, or on some other social level.

How could it become obsolete, then? Talking about the way "social conditions" could change to make this happen is just a shorthand for saying that people could change, or institutions could change, or whatever.

1. Whatever punk was against could have changed so that it just looked stupid or silly to be against it.

2. It could have changed so that there was no legitimate reason to be against it.

3. The way in which punk was against whatever could have been dethorned. The main candidate I'm thinking of here is something like the way nihilism or irony is said to have been co-opted or commodified. Or even just the punk sound or style (including fashion!). The obsolecence here would derive from the fact that no one would bother to take punk seriously because of this co-option, though I want to leave things open. This make it sound like punk has a separate message to convey besides the style in which it conveys it; maybe it does, maybe not. I said "against" above to try avoiding talking about punk "critiquing" or anything like that, which might be seen as making it a little bigger or more developed in its antagonism than it was.

4. Related to 1, sort of - social conditions could have changed so that people didn't even know about the whole antagonistic relationship.

When the musical landscape changes, that counts as a social change too. I think all these things could be cached out either in terms of the "purely" (meaning non-musical, what we usually will call the real world stuff) social things punk was against, or in terms of the music punk was against (implicitly, sometimes). This split is an important one deserving of its own careful thought, because it matters a lot where the music hooks up with the rest of the world. So of course I'm not going to say anything else right now.

I don't know why I feel the need to apologize lately for being more careful and making my reasoning perspicuous, but I do. If you don't think this question is interesting, then at the moment I don't have anything to say to you. If you do but don't like the way I'm answering it (it sure ain't punk to do it this way I bet), then I wonder how you could answer it without being just as careful. Maybe seeing all the work, as it were, takes all the fun out of it, but this is sort of my lab notebook after all. If I were you I wouldn't trust an answer handed out without some thinking behind it anyway.

6 Jan '02 07:11:49 AM

I referred just two entries ago to the idea that punk is no longer viable. Mike wrote in asking me, among other things,

Why is punk no longer viable? Has it been superseded? Have social conditions "obseleted" the music, or made it neuter, in spite of everyone's good intentions? Or... is just nobody bothering to make compelling punk? Or have all the possibilities within punk been explored, making any future attempts at exploration doomed and pointless? Or?

I want to note that I didn't say punk is no longer viable, just that people seem to say things like that a lot. Unfortunately I can't say who - I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. It's just an idea you see invoked a lot. Sometimes it's done in social terms, so that punk failed because of its failure to achieve its social goals (and putting it in those terms is tendentious, I know). More often, I think, it's just done in musical terms - i.e. if punk had been more successful, music wouldn't be the way it is now (usually this means what's on the radio, or sometimes something broader, like what's popular among hipsters, or even what's taken as being progressive and akin to punk).

Mike is right, though, that just the idea itself bears more scrutiny. I'm not sure I'm the one to give it, but that's never stopped me before. Unfortunately I don't think I've heard much of the music originally called punk. Up to a point I don't think that matters for two reasons. A lot of the talk about 'punk' is talk about an idea that has a much broader application than one strictly referring to some bands or records from a set range of years. Most people pick up a lot of their thinking about 'punk', I think, in basically the same way I have. Thinking about questions like Mike's means thinking about this broad idea that people have picked up in this way. Second, I think that the questions are broad enough that having a good idea of how they could be answered (that is, asking about the logic of the concepts involved - what it means for a genre or social movement to be viable, or superseded, what kinds of social changes might be relevant to its viability, what the development of it as a music has to do with its continued existence, and so forth) is sort of preliminary to answering them, since no amount of direct experience of whatever records you think are important, or acquaintance with your favorite musico-social theories, will resolve the questions easily.

(This is called 'covering your ass' in philosophy. Yes that is a technical term. And oops, Mike also called me out for being too general.)

Obviously this has the potential to go nowhere or be dropped, but if I can I want to think some more over time about how to answer these questions.

6 Jan '02 12:15:47 AM

The New York Times pop and jazz critics picked their favorite "obscure" albums of 2001 and the Dismemberment Plan is on it. I don't think they're doing anyone any favors with the leadin about bedroom and computer recordings, though.

4 Jan '02 11:17:10 PM

Another record that is one of my favorites from 2001 is Fugazi's The Argument.

It seems to me as if Fugazi have mostly been staking out the same kind of ground, exploring more or less the same region of space, for a long time now. This isn't meant to say that they've been making the same album for years, because I don't think they have been. It's not a matter of circling around, either. Instead it's something like this: from record to record, they do some things that are sort of new-sounding. They also do some things that are old-sounding. Sometimes on the newer records, some of the newer-sounding things seem to be prefigured by parts of their older records, in the way that hearing the newer record can make you hear the older record as being more of a piece with the newer one, even if you may have thought beforehand that the old record had nothing but old things to offer. This is different from but related to the phenomenon of hearing a new record which does some new things, and hearing them as extensions or changes of the old things. That's why I said 'exploring space' above, because I think it can capture well the kind of moving-standing-still that I want to get at: because there's both exploring a big space, expanding the outer boundaries of the space you know about, and there's looking more closely at the space you've already got, seeing what it's like, where it hooks up with other spaces, catching little spots inside that you may have missed because before you were so busy looking for the big stuff.

Although most music involves this kind of looking-more-closely, I think people tend to ignore that and look for the the boundary-pushing, or at least try to take whatever they like as being boundary-pushing in some way. That's what I have seen people doing in just about every review of The Argument that I read. This talk is also unfortunately couched in terms of 'evolution' - here, the band's sound is 'evolving', and so on. This makes me want to diagnose the reviewers.

If you look at 13 Songs or Repeater on the one hand, say, and Red Medicine or The Argument on the other, it can seem like Fugazi have made protean strides to advance punk music. I would imagine that this could seem pretty satisfying, since punk music is often thought to have died or ended up going nowhere, even to be a genre which has no future, which can't go anywhere by its very nature. This view makes Fugazi standard-bearers for punk's possible future, which means that punk could still be viable in some sense tied to its mythical beginnings.

None of this is to deny that punk is no longer viable, or that Fugazi didn't make great strides. All I'm suggesting is that things may be more complex than that. For example, it seems to me that Fugazi's last four albums especially (not counting the Instrument soundtrack, but even if it's included I think this makes sense) are mostly exploring a certain ground that they've staked out. Perhaps they've been expanding that ground along the way, but this could just be a matter of exploring different parts of the big space that was already marked out. This can seem sort of static, because of the tendency I mentioned above, to hearing things only in terms of the large boundary-pushing. I think this would present reviewers and listeners looking for the big changes with a problem, then, and possibly make them prone to making a big deal out of the changes Fugazi seems to have made on The Argument. They've evolved, they have a new pop sensibility, they are more mature, etc. Again, to some extent these things may be true, but I think things are more complex than simply stating those truths would imply. (Because, for instance, you can find reasons to say these things about earlier records.)

Hearing their work of the past half-decade or so does make things harder on critics, I suppose, but oh well. It's tougher to talk about an album that does this kind of stylistic settling-in and roaming-around, I think because it focuses the talk on the musical elements, what they do in the music that makes it sound the way it does to us, relative to the space they've staked out. It makes the distinctions between Fugazi's music in general and other music potentially finer, more subtle, which can be a pain in the ass to write about. That's OK, though.

This is all very high-level stuff, I think, considering how I don't think much of it when I'm listening to the album. I do think that my reactions are colored in part by how I perceive the band to be doing this kind of inner-space-exploring, but it's a lot more intuitive (on my part) than I've indicated here. This is an analysis after the fact.

I also haven't said anything about how this supposedly static music makes it sound more familiar - and remember, familiarity breeds comfort. Comfort has a lot to do with why I like this album. In part it has to do with why I opened up to it enough to think about it more.